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Post by René on Feb 26, 2004 9:50:31 GMT -5
and im talking Kyuss, Queens of the Stone age, and Eagles of Death metal here, the last one may not qualify for stoner, but those mentioned make such awesome stuff. Too bad that the end of QOTSA is near, due to Nick Olivieri kicked out Im sure you all heard what happened.. what do you guys think of these bands and the genre itself?
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Post by NattyDread on Feb 26, 2004 13:05:49 GMT -5
don't think qotsa are stoner rock. to be honest, I think the term itself is far to vague to be used as a genre.
anyway, kyuss are gods. they were and still are unique, john garcia was just the perfect singer for this band. listen to them on a real good stereo or put on some headphones. it's an audio-orgasm.
btw, I don't think that the end of the qotsa has come yet. they don't need olivieri. the first album was recorded only by josh homme and alfredo hernandez, and it is a masterpiece. the qotsa always always had kind of an rotating cast, it's part of the bands blood.
danko, if you like what homme does, check out the desert sessions. they're great. just like olivieris sideproject (well, now mainproject) with mondo generator.
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Post by René on Feb 26, 2004 13:16:51 GMT -5
thanks for that story, and for the tips, i'll surely check it out
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Post by Tidyman on Feb 26, 2004 19:33:56 GMT -5
I heard that Nick Olivieri was out but I didn't hear why. What happened? And I agree with Nat, it doesn't necessarily mean the end of QOTSA.
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Post by NattyDread on Feb 27, 2004 4:12:16 GMT -5
well, the whole story is kinda twisted. It seems like nick was kicked out by Josh. Nobody really knows why, seems like Josh didn't like the way nick was acting over the last 18 month. Nothing precise yet...
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Post by René on Feb 27, 2004 8:32:44 GMT -5
i know this dude from another forum who is a huge fan. He told me this story comming from a tour manager: Apparently it started out with Nick punching his girlfriend in the face after a fight in a hotel during touring. Josh was pissed of at that. Later in the tour Nick was so shitted from drugs he jumped into the crowd and spitted on people and punched them. After the gig Josh was so pissed off they got into a fight. Other members werent satisfied either obviously, so they decided to kick out Nick Olivieri
and because they all have other projects and stuff, im kinda affraid we wont see QOTSA again perhaps..
well this what i read..
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Post by Tidyman on Feb 28, 2004 11:55:35 GMT -5
If any of that stuff is true he's a scumbag, and good riddance. Just the fact that he got the boot tells you he was up to something. Hopefully the next bassist keeps his clothes on and his shit together.
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Post by Tidyman on Feb 28, 2004 12:07:37 GMT -5
I just saw the name of the next episode of MWOR...it's called "Everything But Queens Of The Stone Age." On it Danko profiles the many offshoots of the band. For an idea of how exhaustive this can be, go to www.qotsa.com and click on 'family tree'. I'm a fan of the three Queens of the Stone Age records, but I'm not really all that familiar with the rest of the bands. I'm just starting to catch up with Kyuss and I'm going to check up on those Desert Sessions (thanks Nat). A font of music knowledge this board is.
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Post by jackyfromjudy on Feb 28, 2004 13:43:22 GMT -5
My favorite stoners are Masters Of Reality. Hope they do some stuff again if QOTSA breaks up. Olivieri won't be missed, never liked his singing and there sure are better bass players around...
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Post by NattyDread on Feb 28, 2004 17:41:44 GMT -5
yeah! masters are great! I was desperate enough to pay 37€ for their debut on vinyl. but it was worth it. unbelievably great album!
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Post by Sac on Feb 29, 2004 4:48:44 GMT -5
Can't say I am deep into this genre, and I don't know so many bands either. But what I have heard, I have liked! The only Swedish band I can name is Grand Magus, but they really rock... Kuyss is of course the Kings of this genre, but there are so much more I haven't had the time to hear.
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Post by René on Feb 29, 2004 9:28:36 GMT -5
Black Sabbath can pass for stoner i guess
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Post by jackyfromjudy on Feb 29, 2004 9:42:41 GMT -5
yeah! masters are great! I was desperate enough to pay 37€ for their debut on vinyl. but it was worth it. unbelievably great album! Do I like that "Blue Garden" song! Some cool riffing going on there...
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Post by NattyDread on Mar 10, 2004 17:13:17 GMT -5
Queens' Homme Casts Emotional Eye On Bassist's Firing [03.09.04; MTVNews.com] A few weeks after bassist Nick Oliveri was fired from Queens of the Stone Age, frontman Josh Homme is still visibly pained about ousting his musical sidekick of the past five years.
"It feels almost like my kid went to jail, or I got out of jail," Homme said, sounding choked up. "I can't tell which one."
In a press release issued last month, the band's management stated that "a number of incidents occurring over the last 18 months led to the decision that the two can no longer maintain a working partnership in the band." The vague statement fueled speculation that rampant drug use was responsible for Oliveri's removal, but Homme said the problem wasn't a direct result of partying, but rather the way Oliveri behaved when he was wasted — and even when wasn't.
"Our whole band is full of hard partiers," Homme said. "We have put more people in rehab than Mardi Gras. But when you get drunk, you either get drunk with class, or you get drunk like a slobbering, toothless f---. And that's just an analogy. It's not just drinking, it's how you live your life."
Homme said there were dozens of times Oliveri got the band kicked out of parties or banned from hotels. Homme added that he played a major role in keeping Oliveri out of jail by "snowing his probation officer" and smoothing out countless other tense, volatile situations. "He's a tornado, and a tornado just destroys and goes on to the next city," Homme said. "I'm in the tornado cleanup crew, and all I ever see is his detritus and I'm sick of it."
When Queens of the Stone Age released their third album, Songs for the Deaf, in 2002, the press categorized them as troublemaking prodigies. Homme said that Oliveri tried hard to live up to his reputation.
"We used to have a thing we called 'Jekyll and Hyde' where, whenever Nick did something, we blamed Nick in the press, and whenever I did something, we blamed Nick in the press," Homme explained. "But I think Nick started believing our press and thinking that he's gotta be the next Sid Vicious or something. And I think Sid Vicious is a badass, but also I think Sid Vicious is a dumb drug addict who couldn't play bass and never wrote a song, and if he stayed alive most guys would have went, 'This guy's a worthless piece of sh--.' And so I don't think that's something to aspire to."
Homme said he was amused by Oliveri's antics for a while, but when the bassist became noticeably more mean-spirited, his amusement waned. When it became apparent to Homme that Oliveri's irresponsibility and cruelty was more than an act for the media, he realized the relationship couldn't continue.
"He really doesn't even know why I kicked him out," Homme said. "In the press, he admitted he threw bottles into the audiences, but he's saying, 'I do it for the fans. Isn't that what they really want?' But what Nick really did was come up to me between the first and second song and say, 'This audience isn't good enough — they're sh--,' and then he threw full bottles of Corona at them, like a baseball pitcher. Is that for the fans? That's not my style. I get drunk with the fans, I don't throw bottles at them."
The final straw came after a show in Australia in which Oliveri trashed all of his equipment, then later got the Queens banned from a hotel in Perth. "You can just put that in a box with the other hotels we've been banned from," Homme said. "You know Nick's been accused of a lot of things, and basically all of them are true, and I can live with the sh-- I've done, but I can't be tied to the sh-- I haven't done."
After Homme decided to part ways with Oliveri, he drove to the bassist's house to confront him. Even though Oliveri had caused Homme plenty of headaches, the two also shared lots of good times, and the frontman felt he owed his "bro" an in-person explanation. "He was bummed, man," Homme recalled. "It was the only time that an irrational guy was rational. He was going, 'I don't want this to happen.' But when you see a guy winging bottles at the audience, you eventually just say, 'F--- this!' If you don't, then you're just somebody's bitch."
Homme admitted that the musical chemistry between he and Oliveri helped drive the last two Queens of the Stone Age records, and he added that he'll miss touring with Oliveri and would be open to working him in the future if he can change his behavior. "I still love the guy, man. And Nick had a vital spot in the band," Homme said with a hint of regret. "Nick has great energy. He scares people, I guess."
A few seconds of silence followed while Homme pondered the statement. "You know what? I don't want to scare people," he finally said. "I want to enrapture people with music. And I want them to get the goose bumps when they hear our album. I don't give a f--- if they're scared about looking at us."
This spring, Homme plans to return to the studio with Queens guitarist Troy Van Leeuwen and drummer Joey Castillo to work on the band's next album. (Part-time vocalist Mark Lanegan quit the band to focus on his solo career around the same time Oliveri was booted.) Homme will play all of the bass parts on the disc, as he did for the group's self-titled debut in 1998. At the moment, he's got 16 songs completed, and he insists that it's the best stuff he's ever written. And for those worried that the band will suffer without Oliveri's contributions, Homme insists they have nothing to fear since he has always been the band's main songwriter.
"I write 90 percent of the music. Which I never say, because I always try to stay mellow about it," he said. "I wrote most of the music and took care of all of the business, and kept it so our bass player could just play for an hour and a half a day and that's all he had to do. If you're wondering if Queens has no balls, you don't have to wonder. If you want to see balls, go see Nick with the Dwarves, because I understand he's playing with them again." Homme added that when Oliveri played with the band in 1997, he would expose himself.
Oliveri could not be reached for comment, and spokespeople for both his former label, Interscope, and current label, Ipecac, said they don't know where he is.
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Post by Fatty98 on Mar 11, 2004 4:59:57 GMT -5
It's good old time in the music industry!
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Post by René on Mar 11, 2004 5:39:24 GMT -5
thats a different revieuw i got somewhere, but obviously Nick was being a dick..
well, atleast we'll be able to hear some new stuff, or see them live in the future
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Post by Tidyman on Mar 11, 2004 20:15:37 GMT -5
So there's the full story from Josh's perspective. I'm not worried about the next Queens record at all - it'll be fine. Thanks for that post, Nat.
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Post by doctorevening on Feb 19, 2006 18:31:00 GMT -5
Mondo Generator's album "A drug problem that never existed" hmmmmmm coincidence?
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Post by Tidyman on Feb 19, 2006 22:00:57 GMT -5
Mondo Generator are waaaaay overdue for a new record. Let's get it poppin, Nick.
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Post by manurocks on Mar 19, 2006 18:11:19 GMT -5
Fu Manchu rules! I went to the Cathedral gig in Paris(@le Batofar,a boat on the Seine)w/ Grand Magus and Electric Wizard(UK) about 3 weeks ago.Infortunatly I missed Magus and I didn't like Electric Wizard but the Cathedral show was great.Mr Dorrian is one of the best performer I've seen.
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