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Post by rocky on Feb 10, 2004 13:54:13 GMT -5
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Post by toppler on Feb 10, 2004 16:05:01 GMT -5
yes!! but also keep in mind that.....
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Post by I like to ball on Feb 10, 2004 16:43:40 GMT -5
hahaha, that is awesome ToppleR. Had I known I was a communisit. . . ;D
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Post by Sac on Feb 12, 2004 12:18:27 GMT -5
Is that one for fucking real?? Are the damn Americans so stupid?? No wonder everybody hates them... Whoo, I'm so convinced by that poster that I have to stop sharing right away! If thats is so, then I'm a Communist and proud of it! Sharing is as bad as when the MC tape came and you could copy all kind of stuff. Thats how Metallica got famous for fucks sake! Tapetrading. This is the same god damn thing. Many people, including me mostly download mp3 just to hear if they want to buy the album or not... Of course they (I) have music that they don't buy as well, but its no loss since I woulden't buy the product in the first place. Grrrrr ;D
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Post by rocky on Feb 12, 2004 13:06:10 GMT -5
Anyway all joking aside here is some nasty news, from Helsinki no less: ............................................................................... HELSINKI (AFP) - A Finnish court ordered a 24-year-old man to pay Canadian rock star Alanis Morissette 7,000 euros (8,965 dollars) for spreading unauthorized recordings of her concerts on the Internet.
The judge found that during 1999 to 2003, the man had swapped over 1,900 copies of unauthorized concert recordings, so-called bootleg tapings, with other bootleggers through his private website, news agency FNB reported.
The case was the first of its kind in Finland, and legal experts said the ruling might be the first in Europe where someone who swapped illegal recordings to add to his own collection had been found guilty.
Legal action in Europe has so far been limited to prosecuting people who have tried to make money off the trend.
While the man offered illegal recordings of a number of artists, including Eric Clapton, The Cure, Madonna, HIM and Ozzy Osbourne, he had been swapping no less than seven tapings of Morissette's concerts with others, the court found.
As a result, the Tampere district court, some 170 kilometers north (100 miles) of Helsinki, ordered him to pay a total of 17,000 euros (21,756 dollars) in damages for copyright infringement to various artists and organizations.
He was only fined 408 euros (522 dollars) however, as he had not engaged in the online bootleg swapping for profit but rather as a hobby, and had not made the illegal recordings himself, FNB said.
On the website, the man posted lists of which bootleg recordings he wanted and what he had to offer in return, as well as his detailed contact information.
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Post by toppler on Feb 12, 2004 15:36:33 GMT -5
Yeah well if you distribute too much you are gonna get caught sooner or later. However I was a commie before i started downloading mp3's...
Just as sac i download songs to see if the album is good, then i buy the album if it is good. and sometimes i download crappy songs just for a laugh.
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Post by bighairygrinch on Feb 12, 2004 15:54:44 GMT -5
and here i thought bootlegs were legal, because the sound isn't anywhere near cd quality, and it's not available on cd either.
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Post by toppler on Feb 12, 2004 16:17:27 GMT -5
Well from what i've heard it is legal to record and distribute bootlegs as long as you don't make any money from it. I might be wrong though.
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Post by NattyDread on Feb 12, 2004 17:22:56 GMT -5
selling bootlegs sucks. those people actually should be fined.
does anyone know if this finnish guy sold or traded bootlegs?
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Post by Tidyman on Feb 12, 2004 21:51:16 GMT -5
Is that one for fu*king real?? I think that's satire. I hope.
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Post by toppler on Feb 13, 2004 8:20:23 GMT -5
Tidyman: It is satire, but the worst thing is that it could be real....
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Post by rockingfinn on Feb 13, 2004 8:36:33 GMT -5
Anyway all joking aside here is some nasty news, from Helsinki no less: ............................................................................... HELSINKI (AFP) - A Finnish court ordered a 24-year-old man to pay Canadian rock star Alanis Morissette 7,000 euros (8,965 dollars) for spreading unauthorized recordings of her concerts on the Internet. The judge found that during 1999 to 2003, the man had swapped over 1,900 copies of unauthorized concert recordings, so-called bootleg tapings, with other bootleggers through his private website, news agency FNB reported. The case was the first of its kind in Finland, and legal experts said the ruling might be the first in Europe where someone who swapped illegal recordings to add to his own collection had been found guilty. Legal action in Europe has so far been limited to prosecuting people who have tried to make money off the trend. While the man offered illegal recordings of a number of artists, including Eric Clapton, The Cure, Madonna, HIM and Ozzy Osbourne, he had been swapping no less than seven tapings of Morissette's concerts with others, the court found. As a result, the Tampere district court, some 170 kilometers north (100 miles) of Helsinki, ordered him to pay a total of 17,000 euros (21,756 dollars) in damages for copyright infringement to various artists and organizations. He was only fined 408 euros (522 dollars) however, as he had not engaged in the online bootleg swapping for profit but rather as a hobby, and had not made the illegal recordings himself, FNB said. On the website, the man posted lists of which bootleg recordings he wanted and what he had to offer in return, as well as his detailed contact information. I read about that guy in the newspaper...I wonder how they got to know that he does bootlegs...maybe a hardcore Alanis Morrissette fan got angry and told her about it....
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Post by jackyfromjudy on Feb 14, 2004 6:59:26 GMT -5
btw...who would be interested in Alanis Morrissettes bootlegs anyway? They probably just sound like her regular crap. I didn't even know they existed...
Feel sorry fot the guy though. People who are intersted in bootlegs are mostly big fans of the artist. On the bright side; he probably ain't a A.M. fan no more!
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Post by fab107 on Feb 26, 2004 16:55:53 GMT -5
I could care less about the downloading argument. I just buy my music. There are many great online radio stations for different genres of music. It's still possible to try out different music without having to rip entire albums and not buying them.
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Post by NattyDread on Feb 27, 2004 4:08:54 GMT -5
I could care less about the downloading argument. I just buy my music. There are many great online radio stations for different genres of music. It's still possible to try out different music without having to rip entire albums and not buying them. thing is, that the quality of the stream mostly sucks, and they play loads of crap between the good stuff. I don't want to listen to 5 crappy, boring punkrock bands before they play one decent song. moreover, I simply want to "digitalize" some of the stuff I have (legally bought) on vinyl, for the car, vacations etc.
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Post by fab107 on Feb 27, 2004 5:09:52 GMT -5
thing is, that the quality of the stream mostly sucks, and they play loads of crap between the good stuff. I don't want to listen to 5 crappy, boring punkrock bands before they play one decent song. moreover, I simply want to "digitalize" some of the stuff I have (legally bought) on vinyl, for the car, vacations etc. Online radio is at the stage where the quality is excellent for the most part. It may have been poor quality many years ago. Not the case anymore. Believe me I only listen to what I like without having to endure crap I dont like. To each their own I guess.
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Post by NattyDread on Feb 28, 2004 12:27:41 GMT -5
hmm...dunno, I haven't found a metal/punk/rock online-channel I really like yet. but even if they exist, I still think there is no problem with downloading stuff. I spent 150€ this month alone on records. I want to buy quality music. So if I hear a song on the radio which I like, I d/l the album to know if I like it. What's wrong with that? I work hard for the few money I get (aprox. 550€ a month), and I want to buy quality music. I do not harm the artist. I don't even harm the contemporary music industry (which I wouldn't care about too much anyway), so what's wrong with it?
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Post by fab107 on Feb 28, 2004 15:20:26 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with what you're doing dude. You download music and buy the music you like. I just think it's unfair when people burn entire albums and never spend a penny on a CD ever.
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Post by fab107 on Feb 28, 2004 15:21:34 GMT -5
I'm sure you've probably already tried it, but for death metal, 80's metal, alternative, progressive rock, I listen to live365.com. I think it's excellent.
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